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February 19, 2014 Transcript of #CommsChat on fact, fiction and fantasy pt. 2 of 2

 

  1. please feel free to carry on , but as Malcolm Tucker said “I’d love to stop & chat to you but I’d rather have type 2 diabetes”

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    A6… Surely ability to provide 100% numerical bottom line proof of value of ?

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    The power to deflect multiple fireballs as they’re thrown at us from every angle. Oh wait…we do that already.

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    It’s the top of the hour, time to finish for tonight. A big thanks to all for taking part and to for guesting

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    Though I’m sure that doesn’t apply to any of you lovely people ***hastilyadds

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    either travelling back in time to avert crises or an inception-esque ability to plant ideas in audiences minds

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    T6: Just to magic up an extra hour or two when on deadline would be superpower enough for me!

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    Uncomfortable truth – with virtually no barrier to industry entry, there are many bad PROs out there, perpetuating bad image

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    RT T6 the power to see through corporate speak and get to the truth – perhaps

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    T6 the power to see through corporate speak and get to the truth – perhaps

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    Finally, for the last 5 minutes, let’s have an unscheduled Topic 6. What would the comms pro superhero’s special power be?

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    As social media continues to play a bigger part in what we do it will provide great comic material for TV shows

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    RT Too many people in the industry perpetuate stereotype=devalues our work

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    RT : fancy a fly on the wall documentary about and comms? mmmm not sure

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    For fictional portrayals to change WE need to change. Too many people in the industry perpetuate stereotype=devalues our work

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    think there will always be cliches, they’ll be some funny sketches about tweets I’m sure

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    T5 I think it will only change and move away from cliche if we take it into our own hands

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    I was reminded of Siobhan Sharpe and Perfect Curve’s Digital Strategy this evening.

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    Topic 5 – Will the fictional portrayal of comms change or become more cliche as the profession changes?

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    Lets stick with that idea of the caped social media hero, tweeting on behalf of humanity, as we move onto topic 5

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    RT Fiction has positive role to play. Power to bring people in i.e. minorities who may not have been aware

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    Fiction has a positive role to play. Power to bring people into industry i.e. minorities who otherwise may not have been aware it

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    Yes…. The ‘West Wing of Google Campus’. 200 episodes of techies curing cancer with Farmville

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    and do they get to wear a cape? One step on from ‘web master’ territory!

  26. Some of the fly on the wall films on comms are very good. The War Room is fabulous if you’ve not seen it.

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    PT Barnum — > "there’s no such thing as bad publicity" – right? Who even said that??

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    we shouldn’t take fictional portrayals too seriously. It’s the quality of what we deliver that counts

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    we are yet to see the SoMe hero, righting wrongs with the punch of his Facebook posting

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    Mae West? RT : "there’s no such thing as bad publicity" – right? Who even said that??

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    Morning/evening folk, a bit late to the party but looks like an interesting chat! As you were.

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    or it could just make things worse – will have to see if current programming reflects current state of the industry

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    "there’s no such thing as bad publicity" – right? Who even said that??

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    Edina never a role model but hilarious in her time.At risk of being controversial, I’ve met a few London agency types

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    Public mistrust prob now turn on the Googles who ‘spy’ on us & ‘infiltrate our lives’ etc. Similar anger levelled at 90s spin drs

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    traditionally I’d say fictionalised portrayals are a hindrance, but with new sitcom ‘flack’ on the way that may change

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    brilliant for my staff there is the ‘press office walk’ always gets a laugh

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    Edina role model: they’re totally kidding. Right? Right??!!

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    T4: Genuinely unsure. It’s good that fictional raises profile of that we do but can’t help feel we’ll always be ‘bad guys’

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    if it makes people think it’s all walking fast, swearing and getting your own way then new people in will have a shock

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    generally bad. Stereotypes written by people outside of the business

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    RT I would agree with that – most people know what PR is so easier to fictionalise. IC is the less glamorous cousin

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    totally agree, we empower frontline staff rather than trying to control everything

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    now it is all about the digital evangelist – equally as frustrating

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    i would have thought Edina could never be described as good, yet lots of u seem to hold her up as a role model??

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    Image will change surely, as changes. The old PR ‘fixer’ w/ champagne in hand is antiquated. Image won’t survive long (?)

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    I would agree with that – most people know what PR is so easier to fictionalise. IC is the less glamorous cousin

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    T4 should be good – raise the profile, but reality is if seen as truth can be damaging. Seen same with fictional cops

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    topic 4 – Are fictionalised comms and PR pros good or bad for the reputation of the profession?

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    OK, we’re slowing down when we start talking challenges 😉 Let’s move onto topic 4

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    of all comms, is PR less of a challenge because its adversarial. You rarely see eg internal comms, or CSR ppl

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    Challenge is that the reality often feels so much less plausible than the fantasy

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    RT the challenge is that the reality is so much more interesting than the fantasy

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    The Thick of it rose to the challenge because it showed 2 very different comms ppl, Tucker & Pearson. No/different stereotypes

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    the challenge is that the reality is so much more interesting than the fantasy

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    good point – often seen as shadowy figure not helped by fictional characters

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    Most of my friends think I’m a Cardinal Richelieu figure, moving in shadows behind the throne.

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    We don’t even agree own business value. Need a)measurement b)professionalisation c) ground in hard data – depictions follow

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    There’s a real issue between the ditsy female portrayal and the aggressive male. *forgetful*

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    RT T3: fiction has to overplay ‘conflict’, doesn’t reflect reality of role, building consensus, working with media etc

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    T3: I think fiction has to overplay ‘conflict’, doesn’t reflect reality of role, building consensus, working with media etc

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    getting other people to realise it’s not like AbFab on one extreme and House of Cards at the other! lol

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    comms is no longer control it is supportive& involves frontline, in policing comms not always fun as it affects lives

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    hee hee, remember my first national bit of pr and mum just said "but where’s your name?"

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    – if you;d been adviser to Danny Boyle, what advice would you have given him?

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    haha it did with me. Had no idea what PR was until I was introduced to Sam

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    Topic 3 What are the challenges in portraying PR & comms in fiction?

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    So if ppl are finding hard to tell their nan what they do, is it surprising that fiction finds it so hard. Lets move onto T3

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    often comes from the media view and that is far from accurate

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    Mine – advertising! Easier industry understand … “: My nan still thinks I’m a journalist anyway!

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    Did the PRO on twentytwelve update the Edina for 21stC. Ditsy, a bit thick, full of hot air. Is it a misogynistic portrayal?

  72. completely forgot that one! I don’t think PR is what springs to mind when you think of Samantha Jones!

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    ah that bit was easy, when I was they thought it was like the Weatherfield Gazette. Now it is harder to explain.

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    Gillian Anderson opposite Simon Pegg in Lose Friends & Alienate People. Not a classic but a typical New York vision of publicists

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    My nan still thinks I’m a journalist anyway!

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    Ha was just thinking that. John Hannah in lead romantic role? RT : Remember Gwyneth Paltrow in Sliding Doors?

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    And nobody’s mentioned Samantha Jones – The 21 Best Things Samantha Jones Ever Said On "Sex And The City"

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    good point, Dave. If we did a 21st century Mad Men, though, would it focus on PR industry?

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    as we cant seem to get of faves – here’s mine. Sweet smell of success – trailer

  80. *Palm to forehead. How’d I overlook that one! Top call. RT : I used to enjoy Spin City

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    it also doesn’t help my mum and other half to understand what I do!

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    quite possibly! Maybe Ab Fab has a lot to answer for!TV characters prob don’t help us get taken seriously

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    To a certain degree – yes! With absence senior ethnic minorities/women profession – TV characters certain degree act role models

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    Excellent reference! I also enjoyed Michael J Fox’s Mike Flaherty in ‘Spin City’

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    as much as they’re off the mark – there are elements of truth. But that’s what makes entertaining drama right? A2

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    sometimes if bosses are not clear what we do perhaps they take a lead from fiction?

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    depends which show. I have it on good authority that the British Government use The West Wing as a manual

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    my fave: Siobhan Sharpe from Twenty Twelve. “Guys we are where we are with this, and that’s never a good place to be.”

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    could just say the same about any profession – ways dramatised for tv. Such as the pathologists on silent witness

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    How fictionalised is role in Blair administration? Every media perception is grounded in an element of truth

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    far removed from reality but with enough grains of truth that we can identify with a lot of the portrayals.

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    great call. Wonderful film, but pure fiction! worth watching if you haven’t seen it. Pre-Twitter world

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    T2: the fact they are a key character in TV show and in reality we often have to fight to play a key role in org

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    T2: For me, fiction often gets the intensity and pressure of the role, usually doesn’t quite get decency/humanity of those in it

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    RT Q2 inevitably take elements and blow out of proportion for comedy. In drama unfortunately not enough research

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    Tucker, always Tucker – he just has a way with words

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    in what way is truth stranger than fiction? How did it differ?

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    Might not be my fav, but I’ve always found ‘Tucker’s Law’ to be depressingly accurate! so it might have to Tucker

  99. For those with a love of profanity Malcolm Tucker – The Thick Of It – highlights

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    @adamrubins@annejhobson what about Malcolm Tucker. Got to love the direct approach!

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    : Another fav fictional character is Sam Seaborn, dep Director of Communications in The West Wing

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    Hi, Helen here – I do comms for professional services. My fave fictional comms/PR person has to be CJ in the West Wing

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    RT I struggled with the format. Some elements ok but fact is always stranger than fiction

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    : My absolute favourite fictional PR/Comms character is Malcolm Tucker in BBC2’s The Thick of It

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    Joining in with tonight’s very cool on fictional portrayals of the PR and Comms world for next hour

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    without question C.J Cregg in The West Wing. No-one else comes close

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    I struggled with the format. Some elements ok but fact is always stranger than fiction

  109.  

    While everyone’s compiling the official list of fave fictional flacks, a Q for . Babylon. Good or bad? True or false?

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    We’ll kick off with Topic 1 – Who’s your favourite fictional press officer or comms professional?

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    &in Malcolm Tucker’s (government comms director, The Thick Of It) infamous words, ‘come the f*** in, or f*** the f*** off’

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    Joining in on . Interesting topic… portrayal of in popular culture

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    : looks at all aspects relating to communications, When: Mondays, 8:00pm UK.

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    Feel free to join in any time, tho it’s always nice to tweet an intro 1st – I’m , founder of

  115. After last week’s mixed reviews for Danny Boyle’s we’re talking fictional PR & comms pros.

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    It’s 8pm GMT. Welcome to tonight’s . We’re joined by , head of comms at Grtr Manchester police.

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    "The next time you want information, don’t scratch for it like a dog, ask for it like a man" Tony Curtis – Sweet Smell of Success

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